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interesting? Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:44:51 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1.4 By: the talking dog https://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/19/advise_and_rese/#comment-1085 Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:44:51 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/19/advise_and_rese/#comment-1085 GN–
Note my next post, re: the reason why, strategically, “getting out of Bush’s way” on cabinet appointments (I didn’t say judges- especially supreme court judges– though those challenges should be used… “judiciously”!…), but obstructionism for its own sake IS A BAD HABIT, and only reinforces the rap on Dems (led by Kerry… and Hillary…) that we don’t stand FOR anything– just AGAINST Bush. The more cohesive we can be WHEN NECESSARY– and pissing on COndi right now is NOT NECESSARY (the backup is probably WOlfowitz)– the better…
D–
What do I have to do to tell you I’m DELIGHTED with Boxer’s “no” vote on Condi? With Wellstone dead and Feingold quiet and Pelosi feckless, we need SOMEONE willing to step up and throw PRINCIPLED bombs, and if it’s going to be Barbara B., then I’m jiggy with that. My point is that since the Dems would ultimately cave on a fillibuster here, there’s not much point in staging one. But if some individual members (who didn’t vote FOR the war) want to express their disgust, then by all means…

]]> By: Diana https://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/19/advise_and_rese/#comment-1084 Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:15:40 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/19/advise_and_rese/#comment-1084 If Boxer shouldn’t be able to vote “no” then they shouldn’t have a vote at all. What’s the point of voting?
She’s doing the right thing by opposing this disgraceful nomination.
BTW she voted against the war, unlike Kerry, the shtunk.

]]> By: Grace Nearing https://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/19/advise_and_rese/#comment-1083 Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:03:19 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/19/advise_and_rese/#comment-1083 My point here is that my advice as to these cabinet appointments is Get out of Bush’s way. Bush gets his team: that’s the rules.
The rules? More like “custom and tradition,” which in America are pretty thin concepts. If I were a Senator or a Congressman, I would want my “No” vote against Rice and Gonzales recorded for posterity. I am the worst strategist on the planet, so the strategy of “getting out of Bush’s way” baffles me. It’s like letting a drunk drive get behind the wheel of a car, the thinking being that odds are he’ll kill himself en route and then the roads will once again be safe. An awful lot of collateral damage can occur during the trip, though.

]]> By: the talking dog https://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/19/advise_and_rese/#comment-1082 Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:07:26 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/19/advise_and_rese/#comment-1082 D–
I think you’re missing my point on the pluck shown by Boxer. Right now, I think she should be the Senate Minority Leader. She seems to be the only Democrat in either house of Congress willing to take chances designed to piss off the Imperium that aren’t calculated for a presidential run.
If she continues to show this kind of moxie, I will probably try to initiate a “Draft Boxer for President” movement (naysayers ask why?; I say why not?)
My point here is that my advice as to these cabinet appointments is Get out of Bush’s way. Bush gets his team: that’s the rules. Once in a while, someone gets mau maued– but that should be a very rare exception. Condi seems to be “law abiding” in her day to day life, and is certainly qualified by experience for the position, even if we all know she will do a piss poor job for exactly the reason she was nominated. But this said, “advice, consent, and shut up”. Or at worst, beat her up in questioning, and abstain. Boxer’s new-found backbone is welcome and unexpected… but these people are getting confirmed anyway. There are mmore important battles to come where party cohesion and discipline will matter more. Just my opinion.
As to John Kerry… if he wanted to show disgust for “Dr.” Rice,, he should have either abstained or gone to the bathroom and asked to be marked “absent” from the vote. It must be hard in the Kerry brain to constantly have to revise history so that you were always right in light of what you later have to correct it for.
Then again, he was a Yale debating champ, and I was not.
But “Boxer comes out Swinging” should be as good a headline for our next Senate Minority Leader (Harry Reid voted Yea on the war; hence he can go f*** himself, as far as I’m concerned).
I can dream, can’t I?

]]> By: Diana https://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/19/advise_and_rese/#comment-1081 Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:48:56 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/19/advise_and_rese/#comment-1081 Right about Kerry, the shtunk.
Wrong about Boxer. The only Democrat left with balls. All five foot nothing of her.
Today is a sad day. I tried to watch the proceedings and had to turn it off when Trent Lott began to bloviate about freedom. That was just too much.

]]> By: Jack K. https://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/19/advise_and_rese/#comment-1080 Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:02:27 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/19/advise_and_rese/#comment-1080 …not sure that I have the same degree of…uh…emotion about the whole thing, but when I started hearing the talk about Kerry positioning himself for a second run for the White house in 2008, I certainly felt that such a scenario would be a make-or-break point for the Democratic party. I’m enough of a political animal to allow a certain amount of craven behavior on the part of political professionals, but I don’t believe in “do-overs”. Kerry has been afforded his chance at the big prize, and there’s no reason to assume that he would manage a second chance any better than he did the first. I’m not a wild-eyed radical progressive, but I won’t vote for John Kerry for President again…

]]> By: Thomas Ware https://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/19/advise_and_rese/#comment-1079 Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:16:19 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/19/advise_and_rese/#comment-1079 That had a bite to it.

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