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Wade, Supreme Court Reaffirms Right to Chose… to Murder Defenseless Spouse… https://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/24/on_32nd_anniver/ Sure, the dog can talk... but does he say anything interesting? Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:08:46 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1.4 By: Consigliere https://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/24/on_32nd_anniver/#comment-1097 Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:08:46 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/24/on_32nd_anniver/#comment-1097 We agree for a change.

]]> By: the talking dog https://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/24/on_32nd_anniver/#comment-1096 Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:48:21 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/24/on_32nd_anniver/#comment-1096 M–
Not suggesting for one second I envy Mr. Schiavo’s agonizing situation. And my family has had at least one elderly member who held on, despite a non-functioning mind, for years, kept at home… not pleasant, but many make that choice. I suspect MOST make that choice, or similar ones.
Mr. Schiavo has a simple option that you and I would not have: DIVORCE. He can hand over her care and feeding to her parents or the state, if they want it, and be done with it. He purports to fight on “in Terri’s interests”. I admit: my view requires that I don’t believe him. And I simply don’t.
In this case, lots of nursing facilities would be delighted to take Terri: she had that settlement money for her care, remember. I don’t suggest Terri was going to get up and walk (though who knows?) as her parents suggest she might. But she’s usually conscious, can make sounds, gives faint recognition… hardly the comatose vegetable one would expect…
When I suggest this is an easier case than abortion, recall the doctrine: “the woman is entitled to an empty womb, not to a dead fetus”. That is what justifies efforts to save a viable fetus, if at all possible… we are terminating THE PREGNANCY– not the fetus unless the fetus is simply not viable.
Well, in this case, her husband OF LESS THAN ONE YEAR acting “on her behalf” decided to use HER MONEY to HAVE HER KILLED.
That bothers me. In fact, that fact alone defines the case, as far as I’m concerned. I said right at the outset: take the money factor away from Mr. Schiavo, and I might be willing to see this case a whole lot differently. I’ll also say it does not bode well if the state is going to start defaulting in favor of terminating people’s lives, rather than defaulting against doing that UNLESS THE EVIDENCE OF PATIENT’S INTENT IS UNEQUIVOCAL– such as a living will or writing or recording.
What’s about to happen to Terri is disconnection of the feeding tube, followed by probably days if not weeks of agonizing pain as dehydration and starvation race to finish her off: certainly my own definition of gruesome and horrible.

]]> By: mamayo https://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/24/on_32nd_anniver/#comment-1095 Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:17:16 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/24/on_32nd_anniver/#comment-1095 TD, I usually agree with all your most extreme positions, but here I think you are both off-base on the legal issues and way too harsh on the personal ones. Rather than go into all the many points where we might disagree, let’s just stick with your assertion that this situation isn’t complicated. Speaking as someone who chose a different path, I can assure you that it is agonizing to realize ten or so years later that the millions of dollars, thousands of hours of family and therapist time, and loss of “normalcy” for other family members, all spent on putting a loved one through years of horribly painful “rehabilitation,” only resulted in bringing the patient along to the point where she is consciously aware of the nature of her severe impairments. I cannot say that this was the right choice.
For obvious reasons, I’ve paid a lot of attention to what has been reported about Terri Schiavo. I can’t say that her husband is making the right choice either, but I’m pretty convinced that she’s in a persistent vegetative state with no hope of recovering sufficiently to have any semblence of a normal life. It has been more than 10 years and her gains in that time have been minimal–there’s little prospect for “rehabilitation.” In the real world, it actually would be almost impossible to convince a rehab center to take her at her age and this long after her coma began (unless they just did it because of the publicity). What happens to people in this situation when they are “kept alive,” is that they are kept on feeding tubes lying in bed until they eventually become septic and die of infection. It is gruesome and horrible.
What the case is really about, IMHO, is parents of adult children who, understandably but tragically, cannot accept the fact that they no longer are in charge of the care of their baby daughter. She married, wisely or foolishly, and gave over those choices to someone else.

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