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does he say anything interesting? Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:11:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1.4 By: the talking dog https://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/30/early_election/#comment-1128 Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:11:55 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/30/early_election/#comment-1128 I should point out that an Iraqi blogger called Raed in the Middle is reporting that in Iraq, it was widely known that there were rumors of threats to remove Iraqi’s fod ration cards if they didn’t get out and vote (in other words, vote or starve).
Charming, if true. Just charming.
Dean– the U.S. presence is pretty much the only factor keeping the country from civil war; three groups that hate each other are all armed to the teeth, and one suspects chants of the Arabic, Kurdish and Farsi equivalents of “bring it on” are probably echoing about…
The ultimate question we will have to ask ourselves is if there will come a point when they decide to have their civil war anyway, whether we’re there or not, and what we could do (short of nuclear strikes) to stop it.
The far, far less likely result is if an ACTUAL Iraqi democracy politely asked us to leave (so it could get on with its civil war, or live together in peace and harmony, or whatever).

]]> By: Dean https://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/30/early_election/#comment-1127 Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:49:39 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/30/early_election/#comment-1127 Many of the right wing blogs are proclaiming victory. Obnoxiously, too.
They’re premature (but what’s new?) The election, at this point, is merely symbolic, and the real outcome won’t be known for years.
Ironically, the US presence is probably a big factor in keeping the country from civil war. People united against an occupier tend to ignore their internecine differences.

]]> By: irisclara https://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/30/early_election/#comment-1126 Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:30:15 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/30/early_election/#comment-1126 Perhaps Jeff B. is British. I’ve heard them say they’d leave Iraq if asked. I wonder what news these people with their rosy outlooks are seeing. I haven’t seen much evidence to support positive thinking.

]]> By: the talking dog https://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/30/early_election/#comment-1125 Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:20:12 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/30/early_election/#comment-1125 Hear, hear, “we”. The Iraqi people have shown a courage and fortitude that we can only admire in risking death just to vote.
Perhaps their faith in the democratic process will be rewarded.

]]> By: we https://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/30/early_election/#comment-1124 Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:05:44 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/30/early_election/#comment-1124 Hooray for the Iraqi people!

]]> By: euro-ron https://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/30/early_election/#comment-1123 Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:37:54 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/30/early_election/#comment-1123 The ‘enduring bases’ being built in Iraq, six if you believe the Pentagon – 12 according to GlobalSecurity.org, hardly sound like a “we’ll leave when asked to” scenario anymore than does $1 -2 billion dollars for an ’embassy complex’. What kind of an embassy do you get for that money? Sounds more like the admin centre for a protectorate to me.

]]> By: the talking dog https://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/30/early_election/#comment-1122 Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:49:41 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/30/early_election/#comment-1122 Be still my heart… Robert Fisk is being quoted as an authoritative source by my friends on the right.
I “know” as much as you, or Mr. Fisk does, of what will happen.
When a large pile of flammable materials is assembled, and someone has pulled out a lighter and screamed about his intention of setting fire to said large pile, and those around expres their support, the odds of a conflagration are far greater than if there were none of the foregoing preconditions.
Maybe this will all work out, without a bloodbath… or maybe it won’t. I call it as I see it. You’re free to call it anyway you like.
You’re not free to call a ball or strike before the ball has left the pitcher’s hand, nor are you free to call the final score before the umpire has even said “play ball”.
The fallout from this will take several months to play out, if not longer.
See you then.

]]> By: Jeff B. https://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/30/early_election/#comment-1121 Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:32:27 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/30/early_election/#comment-1121 a.) there will inevitably be a rising call by the Iraqis for us to leave. This is totally expected. We will leave when we asked to.
b.) There will be no civil war. Even Robert Fisk said he was totally wrong last year when he predicted civil war. As much as he loathes the occupation and everything about the Coalition war effort, even he grants that a civil war is astronomically unlikely.
But I suppose you now, all of a sudden, know more than one of the Left’s favorite war reporters.

]]> By: the talking dog https://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/30/early_election/#comment-1120 Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:19:40 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/30/early_election/#comment-1120 CJ–
The votes aren’t going to be counted for weeks. And the body count will take even longer to sort out.
What did I say: I hope I’m wrong. I’m well beyond wishing things to go to hell so Bush looks bad (a/k/a the John Kerry campaign strategy.) I don’t care anymore… if this works out, give Dubya the Nobel Peace Prize… hell, petition the Pope so Dubya can get a sainthood for all I care. Dubya will then deserve it… obviously, God clearly would be looking out for him, because no earthly phenomena could explain HOW the Iraq thing worked out without a huge bloodbath… I will then willingly convert this blog into a poetry appreciation site and rarely, if ever, speak of Dubya or Iraq again…
But, if things transpire as I expect them to, i.e., within a few months, there is serious clamoring among Iraqis for us to get the f*** out, followed by an escalation to violence that most honest (meaning “foreign”) journalists will regard as a “civil war”, then I fully expect you back at this site to eat the crow you will then duly deserve.
Deal?

]]> By: CadillaqJaq https://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/30/early_election/#comment-1119 Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:59:12 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2005/01/30/early_election/#comment-1119 You have to be joking… not only might your glass be half-empty, it appears from your “analysis” that it’s totally empty.
Take a nap and then look at the results of the Iraqi elections again.

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