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Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:20:03 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1.4 By: Thomas Ware https://thetalkingdog.com/2007/02/08/rainy_day_women/#comment-12078 Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:20:03 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2007/02/08/rainy_day_women/#comment-12078 A fan of both for quite some time now, I have to say I was disappointed in their “apologies”. I wouldn’t have – because i stand by what I say – and I’m not sure they did their credibility any favors.

]]> By: feudalsocialist https://thetalkingdog.com/2007/02/08/rainy_day_women/#comment-12077 Sat, 10 Feb 2007 01:04:39 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2007/02/08/rainy_day_women/#comment-12077 Historically US politics have often devolved into gutter tactics, aimed at de-legitimizing and destroying the opposing party/ideology, rather than in furthering constructive debate. But the take-no-prisoner aggressions of the Federalist/Jeffersonian era seem, to me at least, to have circled around the great unspoken problem of slavery, assertively uspoken by agreement at the constitutional convention, disfiguring political discourse (as they say), until it metastasized into the realm of the unable-not-speak-of problem of a half-century later. Likewise, the late 19th century yellow journalism crap doubtless served to distract folks from having to come to grips with the widening class chasms of the industrial revolution, until the progessive era. I do believe that something similar has been happening for the past two decades, beginning in the Reagan years. Unfortunately, the mud-slinging has been mainly a one way affair, with many in the democratic middle accepting the mud as if it were a spa treatment. But as we know, at least under the agricultural maladministration of ADM, I mean the Bushivite junta, if there’s mud, there’s fecal matter. And e-coli. Texas tea… (excuse me). These aren’t traditional partisan attacks. Instead, the right has made it increasingly acceptable discursively to disenfranchise wide swathes of the citizenry, and to focus their attacks not merely on liberal positions, but on the very existence of liberals and the democratic party. So what are the great unspokens otherwise obscured by the vicious chatter of the Republican sound machine? My best guess: a drastic change in the structure of our economy, of the sort that our own estimable TD has been signalling in so many fine posts. We have lost not only our manufacturing jobs, but our manufacturing capacity. And if we have only a service economy left, how come I can’t even get good service? Across the border, in Ontario, I have an in-law who now works at a call center outsourced from India by an Indian company which has discovered that unemployed midwesterners cost little more to employ than Indians — and some of them even speak better English to boot. If one day my underwear bears the made in USA label, will it be because our Chinese masters (oops, I mean creditors) have outsourced the labor back to us? In California, Schwarzie has been agitating to move prisoners from the overcrowed state system into private prisons out of state. Is this yet another way we will eventually turn our urban underclass into the new american slave labor? After-all, they’ll learn some useful job skills in a private prison. Can’t one of the candidates, maybe one on the margins with nothing to lose (ahem), stop worrying about accusations of class conflict and actually embrace them, then fucking throw them back at the true inst-i-gators? No need for recondite economics-jargon: simply ask how it feels to know that the CEO makes more in an hour than you, dear voter, will make this year. On a petty level, the Edwards campaign should take a page from the Rovian play book, ignore the recent attacks, and turn them around by trashing the thrashers, as so many bloggers already have. How hard can it be to swift boat such a ripe target as Donahue, especially when we don’t even have to lie? And people shouldn’t wuss out that we shouldn’t descend to their level of political tawdriness. We will never be like them. We believe in justice and will humbly accept losing to our oppostion if we know them to have followed due procedure. We’re sorta squishy that way. However, as you rightly note, what could be more just and fair-play than turnabout? And while I’m on the subject, can’t any candidate answer impugnations of anti-religiosity by exercising a little brain-power? Elementary anthropology: primitive (all) religion helps explain the world, providing and sanctifying the meanings, moods and motivations for people to think they understand the world and to get out of bed and deal with it. Well the reality for a huge segment of americans (particularly in the rural red states) is well nigh hopeless. If the democrats would stop tip toeing around religion and substitute some astute sociological analysis, maybe they can ween the downtrodden from dependency on the Lord (Who didn’t care about Caesar’s economy any more than H/She cares about our’s) and get them to recognize their post-industrial lords (can’t help getting a little medieval on you, TD). Imagine if we could succeed in defusing fundamentalism by recentering debate. Pounding away like they do, but replacing their cynical manipulations with some truth. I know it’s hard to get people to deal with reality, but it can be done, not by attacking religion, but by putting it back into the realm of the sacred. Senator X could say: “You’re afraid your kid is gonna get an abortion and you think it’s all the fault of us godless elite liberals? Like them actors in Hollywood? (brought to you, by the way, by the Republican dominated military-entertainment complex that owns the actors and would merchandise your air if they could stop polluting it). Well, I’m tellin’ ya, don’t go shutting down clinics, don’t be tellin’ women what to do with their bodies. Just look around you instead: could it be that your kids are bored, they don’t see a future, their dads are unemployed, drink a little bit too much every now and then, scare the shit out of you and the young’uns… and did I mention there’s no jobs in town, (except down at the chicken plucking plant, which hires swarthy brown folk, etc.) Nothin’ left to do but drive out past the end of town, have sex (unprotected since you’re afraid to talk about it and won’t let anyone else educate ’em), and pray.” Instead of demonizing these good americans, we liberals can reclaim our role as defenders of the common man and woman. We need to protect these good people who end up thinking that their predicaments are their own fault because the preachers at the pulpit and on TV, the gasbags on talk radio and the cynical right wing leadership tell them again and again that it’s a moral problem, caused by their own sinful natures led on by the sinful temptations of our corrupt culture. Shouldn’t our best candidates be counteracting this by telling them God will sort out his/her own (as at Carcassonne?) but in the meantime, talk like honest folk about reality in the here and now. When you-know-who said that religion was the opiate of the massess, he meant it in the 19th century sense; not that it is delusional or hallucinatory, but that it is an anasthetic, it numbs the pain (ok, I’ve read some Patrick O’Brian novels for 19th century surgical technique). And it isn’t only about the globalization of industry that’s fucking up their small town or faceless exurb. Financial thievery, media monopolization, cronyism, oil and Irag all figure into the equation. There’s many dots to connect.

]]> By: Stanford Matthews https://thetalkingdog.com/2007/02/08/rainy_day_women/#comment-12076 Fri, 09 Feb 2007 17:46:04 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2007/02/08/rainy_day_women/#comment-12076 By coincidence I landed on Pandagon while visiting new blogs about a day before all the wailing and gnashing of teeth began. Knew nothing of these people until they mentioned Melissa McEwan. A few earlier trips to Shakes’ Sister left me with the impression they were pretty rabid. But nothing like Pam Spaulding.

]]> By: qwdsd https://thetalkingdog.com/2007/02/08/rainy_day_women/#comment-12075 Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:48:36 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2007/02/08/rainy_day_women/#comment-12075 qwdqwdqwe
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