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Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:24:30 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1.4 By: the talking dog https://thetalkingdog.com/2007/04/18/theocracy_now/#comment-12185 Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:24:30 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2007/04/18/theocracy_now/#comment-12185 Can Chin Ho, or Kono be far behind? Maybe Duke? Wo Fat, perhaps?
Anyway, Steve, if your point had validity (which the facts on the ground indicate that it does not) then the Republican Party should, unquestionably, go out of business, because clearly, THAT is the party that needs abortion to hold it together, and has been using it that way since the Reagan era.
The Democrats, by contrast, have clearly moved beyond abortion as a unifying common ground issue. Indeed, they appear to have moved beyond everything as a unifying common ground issue, once again proving Will Rogers’ famous adage.

]]> By: Steve McGarrett https://thetalkingdog.com/2007/04/18/theocracy_now/#comment-12184 Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:29:56 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2007/04/18/theocracy_now/#comment-12184 If a party needs abortion to hold it together, when there are other major issues actually affecting most of the electorate, then that party should not longer exist.

]]> By: the talking dog https://thetalkingdog.com/2007/04/18/theocracy_now/#comment-12183 Sat, 21 Apr 2007 20:28:39 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2007/04/18/theocracy_now/#comment-12183 Well, Dan’O, the procedure in question usually amounts to a second trimester procedure (the third trimester procedure is already illegal in most if not all states) and Roe has thus far been interpreted as protecting the right to second trimester abortions… until now.
The fact is, the “D&X” procedure at issue, though relatively rare, is generally a second trimester procedure, and for example, would be used to extract an already dead fetus… and would be the safest course to do that… but the procedure has now knee-jerk been declared illegal, which will put otherwise healthy women at far greater risk than necessary while saving not a single fetus.
The abortion opponents have framed this issue beautifully, and the fact is, most people, as a knee-jerk matter, are appalled at the prospect of an advanced fetus, i.e. a viable baby, having its brains sucked out. Hey, I am too!
That, of course, is NOT what is usually happening with the procedure at issue (I can’t say it has never been used for that, though my understanding is that “almost never” is pretty accurate). The ban has been defined in a sufficiently blunderbuss fashion to criminalize a whole panoply of procedures that have nothing to do with
what I just described.
But Congress defined the issue in political terms, not in medical ones; before this case, the courts weren’t taking that bait. Things is different now.
As an aside, btw, let me say that I actually appreciate the honesty shown by Thomas and Scalia, who outright just said “We want to reverse Roe; we’re not going to pretend that we can “respect precedent” while trying to dismantle it, and we don’t believe that there is a Constitutionally protected right to an abortion. Honest, and straightforward, whether you agree with it or not. By contrast, Roberts and Alito (joined by Kennedy) were much, much more sinister, pretending to defer to existing precedent and pre-established rights, while actually gutting them, and using the same kind of weasel language we’ve come to expect from… weasels.
And let me repeat the facts on the ground: abortion is already unavailable in 86% of the counties in the United States, and later term abortions are unavailable in an even greater percentage than that. It is odd that abortion rights seem one of the few things that Democrats can hold together on, yet even Harry Reid voted for the ban that has just been upheld…
And did you not note my concern that the Commerce Clause was used to do this? In other words, women and their bodies are now… commerce. Period. Hey, we are all commerce, now. The Court could have tried to use the 14th Amendment’s penumbral rights, extending them to the unborn for example… but it didn’t… and that is far more than symbolic. It bespeaks the place of where those of us not in the ruling class now are… i.e., matters of commerce for those who are in that class.

]]> By: Drill'm Dano https://thetalkingdog.com/2007/04/18/theocracy_now/#comment-12182 Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:40:53 +0000 http://thetalkingdog.com/2007/04/18/theocracy_now/#comment-12182 Looks like you’ve been sampling too many of them wire-hanger fearing commentators. How long have you been a member of the absolute-right-to-abortion camp? Do you truly subscribe to infanticide? Did we forget that Roe v. Wade did not speak of an absolute right to abortion?

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