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In the last 22 months, just off the top of my head, we have blown the crap out of Afghan weddings, opened a gulag which includes children among those incarcerated, adopted a tactic of dropping large bombs on suspected key enemies (rather than, say, troops trying to capture or kill just the targets), invented an "unlawful combatant" status that can even apply to citizens (depriving same of trial, charge, or even counsel), proposed ramping up a "tactical nuke" program, and largely said "fuck you" to the rest of the civilized world, so we could have an elective, preemptive war whose legal and factual basis seems to be hanging now by so much dental floss.

So in that context, this particular abomination is, like, no big deal anymore, right? So-- why don't we do this sort of thing? For one, its illegal under the Geneva Conventions (though we dispute this, and whether we signed that particular treaty). In some sense, this sort of tactic builds resentments among the occupied, and just causes more problems later (and may be a clarion call for Al Qaeda recruitment). In my opinion, the Israelis are often guilty of overplaying this sort of thing, resulting in greater terrorist attacks later (although, I certainly understand why they would do it). Here, for the best reason why we don't do this sort of thing-- we just don't kidnap non-combatants for tactical advantage-- I defer to Unqualified Offerings
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The good guys just don't do this shit. Let me be more precise. GOOD guys don't do this shit. If we insist on the tactics of our supposed enemies, we ain't no longer the good guys. The terrorists have not only won; they appear to have trounced us, and sold us their conduct manual.

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Hah, hah, you raised the exact point I raised with my co-workers regarding the war in Iraq. If we do this kind of shit, we're no longer the one with moral high ground. Why do we need to be the one with the moral high ground? Because we're a fucking democracy that has a built in safe guard: the moral conscience of its people. To wit, the civil rights movement, Gandi of India. Back in the 60s, the average joes accepted segregation but once it appears that the segregationist didn't have the moral high ground, they accepted the notion that blacks should be treated the same as whites. Same for the British people. On that thought, what about South Africa?

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