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August 29, 2003, Sea of monsters

A car bomb outside a crowded mosque in Najaf, Iraq has killed dozens, including a leading Shiite cleric and politician. This raises questions too numerous to address even in a prolix post, though many simple-minded Americans might wonder why Islamic extremists would blow up a crowded mosque during prayer on a Friday (the karmic equivalent in Islam presumably of knife-raping Mother Theresa).

One might assume that the perpetrators of this atrocity were, ahem, Sunni in origin, and therefore (aside from the Jews, of course) Shiites are more hated than anyone else in the universe.

Or one might assume that the perpetrators couldn't give two shits about religion and Allah (Iraq was one of the more secular Arab states), and are doing this as a political tactic, perhaps out of loyalty to Saddam, or more likely, self-interest in the chaotic free-for-all power vacuum pecking order.

The only fair conclusion, of course, is that Iraq remains largely out of control. Yes, its hard to stop car bombings, especially suicide bombings (ask an Israeli). But it still seems as if (at least watching from way over here) Rumsfeld's grand strategy of deliberate underdeployment and insisting that he knows everything is a fucking disaster. And yet Rumsfeld continues to pursue whatever his grand vision is, unabated, regardless of contrary facts on the ground. Three targets that clearly should have been protected better (whether the occupants of those targets liked it or not), notably the Jordanian embassy, the local United Nations offices, and now a large mosque in the middle of a Shia holy city, have all been subject to devastating bomb attacks. I take nothing away from the soldiers on the ground, who have been asked to secure an area the size of (and damn close to the population of) California, while being under-manned and under-supplied by an Administration that accuses its critics of "not supporting the troops" (when its not accusing them of treason). Simply put, we clearly don't have sufficient boots on the ground to prevent these ongoing disastrous attacks. So I think we can expect them as a regular occurrence for the foreseeable future (along with three or four more dead American troops per week).

Now, aside from having God knows how many observant Iraqis maimed or blown to bits (that should do wonders for our popularity) a key moderate Shia cleric, Ayatollah Mohammed Baqr al-Hakim, was killed in the blast. I have no doubt whatsoever that American officials were warned of threats to Baqr al-Haqim and to other moderate clerics, and I also have no doubt that little, if anything, was done to heed those warnings.

If there really is ultimately to be a free and democratic Iraq run by Iraqis, such men are pretty much its only hope, and we are continually dropping the ball by failing to protect such men and their supporters.

On the other hand, if one prefers a puppet regime fronted by a convicted embezzler...

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"I have no doubt" huh? You're privy to US Intelligence briefings?

Every few days Israel proves that you can have the strictest security regime imaginable, but if someone is bound and determined to blow something up and kill lots of innocents, chances are they'll succeed.

Perhaps America was right to go to Iraq, because if this sort of insane tribal bloodshed is ever going to be stopped, as the world's only superpower we are the ones who will have to do show the way.

Conversely, perhaps Iraq was an enormous tactical mistake, sucking us into our own private Israel, proving that millennia old hatreds cannot be stopped by even the greatest military force in the history of the world.

But glib comments implying that somehow we're responsible every time there's Iraqi bloodshed contributes absolutely nothing to the conversation.

The Shiities had no future whatsoever under Saddam. Now, because they DO have prospects, they're being killed.

I won't guess as to whether that's a deal most Iraqi Shiites would have taken given the choice, but I think your thinly veiled rooting for the failure of our efforts in Iraq is not only stupid, but positively inhuman.

Posted by LB at August 29, 2003 01:30 PM

LB--

I see; my questioning of the crassest incompetence on the part of the Bush Administration (of the kind that has gotten lots of non-Americans, as well as lots of Americans, wounded and/or killed) now constitutes "rooting for its failure". I see that you left out "treason"... and Saddamite. Those are always helpful terms advancing all discussions.

Patriotism doesn't mean cheerleading, my friend. In a free country, its not merely the right-- its the duty of citizens to speak out when their government runs amok.

The Shiites have prospects now? I suppose if they win the likely civil war we've probably just started for them, maybe you're right. Perhaps the same prospects as Afghans-- warlordism with a smiling face?

As to my privity to intelligence briefings, why do you foolishly assume that such warnings have to be classified, or even that such warnings can't originate from ordinary citizens in the United States?

Posted by the talking dog at August 29, 2003 02:31 PM

Actually, conquer a foreign country, occupy it and assert your absolute authority over it (e.g. saying who gets to be police and whether it gets to have an army and whether contracts go to domestic or foreign firms) and, why yes, you ARE responsible for everything that happens. By definition.

If seen suggestions that, based on the Geneva Convention governing occupying powers, it's also true by law.

Posted by Jim Henley at August 29, 2003 04:22 PM

No one was accusing you of treason, merely that you have a political motivation for wanting the Iraq war effort to fail. I read your blog regularly. Do you deny that?

Agreed that patriotism doesn't mean cheerleading. However, automatically laying the blame for everything going wrong in Iraq at the feet of America hardly qualifies as constructive, or even interesting, thinking.

In fact, is it not some sort of patriotic vanity which leads you to believe that somehow the United States could stop all of these problems if only we applied ourselves sufficiently? Indeed, was it not that very same sort of vanity which led Bush/Wolfowitz to believe that rolling through Iraq with our military might and crushing Saddam would magically solve all of the Middle East's problems and create fertile ground for democracy?

My point is simply this: you want Bush gone and think that laying the blame for everything that goes wrong in Iraq on the decisions he has made will somehow aid the Democrats next year.

In fact, he at least has a vision for the future, however misguided or bankrupt it may be.

What do you and the Democrats offer but finger-pointing and misplaced longing for the days of the Internet bubble?

That is, what do you offer besides more troops in Iraq and less tax-cutting at home (oh yes, and balancing the budget while doing it)?

Posted by LB at August 29, 2003 04:38 PM

LB--

I'm glad we agree on something. Actually, we agree on quite a bit: I agree that Bush has a clear, simple vision, and I envy it-- I wish ANY Democrat could make such a simple case for ANYTHING (even though I overwhelmingly disagree with Bush's).

I agree it is absolutely impossible to keep perfect order in Iraq, no matter what the size of our deployment. BUT... when our own military (remember General Eric Shinseki? hell, remember General tommy Franks? Remember like a dozen generals Rummy ordered retired for disagreeing with him?) Those generals put the needed occupying force at something like over twice the manpower we've now got deployed. I draw the appropriate conclusion: WE ARE FUKCING UNDERDEPLOYED THERE. But-- as Jim Henley notes above, we are not merely morally responsible-- as an occupying power, we are LEGALLY responsible for what transpires there, whether we like it or not.

Do I WANT to see Bush fail here? No, sir. I want to see Bush RESIGN (preferably in disgrace, but I'll take what I can get) or be impeached. But fail in Iraq? NEVER. Not even a little.

The price of his failing in Iraq or Afghanistan is too great nationally, too great personally. Having lived through 9-11 myself (I got to be one city block north of the former World Trade Center that morning-- lost my job because of it too; and then got to breathe that shit, because my family and I live a mile or so downwind). Do you seriously think I want a scenario that generates the kind of terrorist that will attack New York, where my wife and child live, over and over and over again. Fuck no. That's crazy shit, and if you think I'm that crazy, you shouldn't read my blog.

Winning the peace in Iraq is too important. Bush HAS to succeed in it. You think I'm a knee-jerk partisan? Its more important to me that Bush succeed in Iraq than that he be defeated in '04. (Obviously, if he fails in Iraq, he shouldn't even have the balls to RUN again, but he is without shame).

And God damn it-- whether its his fault or Rummy's or no one's-- it doesn't matter-- he IS failing and failing miserably-- and as an American and a New Yorker, that is unacceptable.

Calling him on his failures as they happen is hardly the same as rooting for future faiilure.

Posted by the talking dog at August 29, 2003 05:24 PM

The whole problem is the wackos at the white house and pentagon never had a plan for after the war. The parallels between Iraq and Vietnam are tremendous. First, the big lie, then the continuous small stories about the escalating dead, and the constant bleating about having won the war, and then at the very end the helicopter off the roof of the embassy. The only difference between Vietnam and Iraq is that Vietnam was covered by courageous members of the media, not shills for the corporate world.

Posted by the whtie wheezer at August 30, 2003 07:09 AM

Vietnam?

How many Americans have died in Iraq, including post-war? 300? 400?

Not to slight their sacrifices, but come on.

Moreover, the South Vietnamese basically didn't give a hoot if they were governed by the Communists or by a corrupt non-Communist regime. We were fighting the war with virtualy no local support.

To argue that the majority of Iraqis, particularly Shiite Iraqis, didn't want Saddam gone is patently absurd.

While we may or may not be mishandling post-war Iraq, as a liberal I refuse to accept that what we've done there is somehow the worst adventure we've undertaken since Vietnam.

We freed an oppressed people. It seems to me that liberals usually support that sort of thing.

And, Mr. Henley's handwringing above notwithstanding, Americans can't be blamed for everything that goes wrong in Iraq now. If Iraqis are blowing each other up, it is certainly not our fault. Perhaps these passions could more rightly be laid at the doorstep of Mr. Hussein? That they didn't happen when he was in control is hardly a testament to his superior governing ability.

Iraq may or may not eventually turn out to be an enormous blunder and horrible morass for the United States -- an imperialistic overreach for which there is no historical excuse. I can certainly accept that as a prospect.

But to already pronounce it a failure and another Vietnam is a disservice both to the memory of that horribly misguided war and to the fact that four months after the end of the Iraqi War it is difficult to pronounce it anything more than inconclusive at this point.

And unless you have some objective data to suggest that the majority of Iraqis were better off and happier before the war, I think that while it is fair game to judge the political motives for the war and its ultimate effect on American prospects in the world at large, it is pure hogwash to question an outcome which saw one of the most despotic leaders of the 20th century deposed.

Posted by LB at August 30, 2003 12:27 PM

Give it a rest: this was not about liberating Iraq, and never was. If it was, we wouldn't have done it. The stated official purpose for invading Iraq concerned terrorist links and WMDs which have proven illusory, so illusory as to imply that (1) our leadership was aware the stated threat was, ahem, overstated (which might also explain why we waited almost 18 months after 9-11-- an eternity if Saddam were using that time to shuttle WMDs to terrorists, don't you think?), or (2) our government is as incompetent as I think it is, or (3) more likely, both.

We don't have to go there anymore-- its done, we're in. The occupation is under way.

I haven't pronounced our occupation a failure. I'm just keeping score. If this current pace keeps up (one major explosion with dozens dead every couple of weeks, and an additional dead American every two or three days-- BTW, we're not even counting the thousands of American wounded who are conveniently ignored by the press), I daresay there will be few rose-pedals being laid at the feet of the President. Further, we will be mobilizing generations of future anti-American terrorists, and we may well precipitate a civil war. Its just the way it is.

Then again, I've come to expect the Bush Administration to understate the human cost of this adventure, as well as the monetary cost, of this, and everything else.

And for the billionth time, we broke it, we bought it. We ARE responsible for Iraqis killing each other now; if we didn't WANT to be, we should have left their own authorities in place. We chose a war of aggression (don't deny that too) for the stated purpose of preemption, and are now the legal occupying power. OUR proconsul calls the shots, administering through OUR puppet government. I repeat-- we are 100%, totally, responsible for EVERYTHING that now happens in Iraq, as if it were American sovereign territory, like it or not.

So, if we chose to deploy less than half the personnel OUR OWN GENERALS thought was necessary to secure post-war Iraq, I daresay, we don't get to duck out of responsibility for doing so.

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