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One of the myriad complaints I have had over the course of the Iraqi adventure was that we might very well be buying ourselves an American version of the West Bank and Gaza: an unwanted occupation of millions of unhappy Arabs, who didn't take kindly to it, and responded pretty darned violently. And that's just Iraqis; not even us gen-u-ine li-be-rals were expecting the "flypaper" bullshit, of almost begging Al Qaeda itself to show up in Iraq and do its magic.

So, we see that the lesson we have learned from the cautionary tale of Israel's unfortunate experiment in collective punishment and the rest of its experience in the West Bank and Gaza is something like "Israel is too damned soft; no more Mr. Nice Guy" (or perhaps, "the floggings will continue until morale improves"). This all makes me more than a little angry.

This is a strategy that will not only backfire in the short term, it will doubtless create the preconditions for the next generation of anti-American terrorists.

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WTF are they thinking? Really? Or are they (the 1600 Crew) not thinking at all?

Not the best of things, I suspect that this will lead to more recruitment of guerillas, more violence against any "allied" soldiers and less cooperation from anyone, except Chalabi the whore.

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Posted by Jo Fish at October 13, 2003 06:44 PM

If the farmers were not protecting those who are attacking us before we leveled their groves, we can be sure they are now doing so.

The policy of collective punishment, particularly as applied to hundreds of years old groves of trees, is seriously misguided.

Please file under "how not to win hearts and minds."

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Posted by Elton Beard at October 13, 2003 09:48 PM

I posted about this too. Found another article discussing it with a bit more info. Not the info that justifies what our army did, though.

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Described by the UN as the world's most efficient food network, the system still keeps Iraquis from going hungry.But the US civilian administrator of Iraq, Paul Bremer, views it as a dangerous socialist anachronism. The coalition provisional authority (CPA) is planning to abolish it in January, despite warnings from its own technical experts that this could lead to hunger and riots".
Leaving aside that feeding starving men, women and children is neither dangerous, socialist or an anachronism (especially when you've caused it by imposing punitive sanctions) why should anything done by the CPA cause surprise with noodlehead policies like this and what the hell has it got to do with leading Iraq towards democracy? Time to reorder the bodybags Paul.

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